Can we please vote on the values after determining which new categories we'll bring on? The values may need to change depending on which/how many of these we put into effect.
Post by MIN (Juuso) on Apr 14, 2016 12:50:25 GMT -8
I would agree with Toronto. First determine which categories we want, then determine if we want to balance the categories, and the actual balancing of new and exisrinf categories is something that should probably be done with the big picture in mind.
Post by MIN (Juuso) on Apr 15, 2016 1:10:28 GMT -8
I've created a spreadsheet similar to the one we had last off-season when we were originally determining values for each category. I've included columns for SOG, Takeaways, Regulation Wins, OT/SO Wins and OT/SO Losses as these are the categories that are currently being voted for in the polls. Here's a screenshot:
The worksheet you should refer to is 'Sandpit Points'. The other two worksheets contain the raw stats; the first one has the FPts totals from our ended season, and the second one has the actual goals/assists/sog/etc totals. in 'Sandpit Points' you can adjust the values for the stats in the top row, columns I to Z. The ones I have set by default were the last ones I tested; I am not implying that these are the optimal stats, but I think they produced a fairly balanced mix. The main changes I've made are reducing Goals to 2.5 points, reducing Defenseman points to 0.2 points (both of these are largely necessary to counteract the effect of SOG), added SOG and Takeaways as being worth 0.5 points, changed goalie wins to 3/2/1 points (regulation win/ot win/ot loss).
Columns E to H are the ones you should pay attention to when adjusting the values. Column E, 'PctOfMax' indicates how the given player's FPts total compares to the maximum FPts total for all players. Ideally we would want this value to remain consistent to what it was this season to retain the current balance. The difference between the new 'PctOfMax' value and the one from this season is shown in Column G, 'PctDiff'. A negative value indicates that the player has lost value and a positive value indicates that the player has gained value. Column F, 'Rank', is the players current rank with the applied category values, and Column H, 'RankDiff', shows how this rank has changed from the end-of-season rank with the existing category values.
Have a play around and see if you can come up with a good balanced mix! Ideally everyone should give this some thought before we move on to voting for actual category values.
I for one, think we shouldn't change the values of any of the other stats that are already included in our league. We voted on those categories and values and we liked them.
I think we voted on the categories we want, and we should vote on what we value these categories at and add them into our league.
IF, we truly feel like stats need to be valued differently after a season of play, then I think we can revisit "balancing" the stats next offseason.
I for one, think we shouldn't change the values of any of the other stats that are already included in our league. We voted on those categories and values and we liked them.
I think we voted on the categories we want, and we should vote on what we value these categories at and add them into our league.
IF, we truly feel like stats need to be valued differently after a season of play, then I think we can revisit "balancing" the stats next offseason.
Any thoughts on this?
I've addressed this matter with hard factual evidence in previous posts rather than this 'idealistic notion' being addressed here, but I'll state it again for the record: No.
I for one, think we shouldn't change the values of any of the other stats that are already included in our league. We voted on those categories and values and we liked them.
I think we voted on the categories we want, and we should vote on what we value these categories at and add them into our league.
IF, we truly feel like stats need to be valued differently after a season of play, then I think we can revisit "balancing" the stats next offseason.
Any thoughts on this?
I've addressed this matter with hard factual evidence in previous posts rather than this 'idealistic notion' being addressed here, but I'll state it again for the record: No.
While I think it is important to keep a balance between Goalies, Defense, and Forwards, I don't think we really need to make it so players essentially end up with the same point totals. I don't see why we would add ANY stats unless it was to try and increase value of players, to try and create a larger number of valuable players available through FA to make the strategy of adjusting your team weekly more beneficial. This season there were rarely any free agents with much value, and adding stat categories does increase the potential to come across someone who can make a more significant contribution to your team.
There is a great benefit in "hard factual evidence" but at the end of the day this is a game. We should have fun, and try to work towards making the game more fun by creating an element of strategy in free agency. Changing stat values to make it so essentially nothing changes as far as value doesn't really seem worth the time.
So all the polls have closed that have to do with adding categories for next year.
We will be adding Takeaways, Shots on Goal, & OT/Shootout Losses.
We will NOT be adding +/- and Giveaways
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I think the next discussion here is whether or not we want to vote on the values of our new categories separately OR if we want to propose a set of values for all categories and vote on that. This second option can be a set with the current values the same or different.
Post by HRT (Anthony) on Apr 15, 2016 15:22:13 GMT -8
I'm going to post what I said in the chat:
I think we should be voting on the stat values as a whole to avoid an unbalanced situation. My idea was to allow anyone who was willing (or we could pick a number of people) create a point structure (using Juuso's spreadsheet) and then post them to vote on which one people prefer. I think it would be beneficial if those point structures had different focuses. So one could be focused on maintaining the values from last season, one could be focused on creating a point balance between the three positions(G, F, D), one could be focused on increasing the value of long-term free agents from last season, etc. Whoever created a point structure for vote would want to try and balance the point values to be in line with the focus and it would give us all a wide variety of options to evaluate.
Either way, the best thing we can do is have as much discussion as possible about these changes.
Last Edit: Apr 15, 2016 15:23:02 GMT -8 by HRT (Anthony)
