There was a question about this today in the shout box and I contridicted myself in the rulebook to what I believe the rule should be. I wantes to bring this to a vote since this effects all of us!
The question: Should prospects on main roster count toward prospect limit?
To explain, we have a 20 prospect limit. We are asking if we promote one prospect up to our main roster does he count towards our prospect limit still or do we have the ability to add a new prospect?
If you have further questions on this matter ask them in this thread below and I can answer questions throughout the day.
In the interest of having a dissenting opinion, prospects on the active roster should not count to the limits because it means an owner has to forfeit a roster spot for an otherwise fantasy relevant player, meaning more available talent. Plus with the waiver draft, prospects that would otherwise be protected would be able to be snatched up by other managers. Just food for thought and a post because I'm tired of refreshing and not seeing a lit up folder haha
Post by MIN (Juuso) on Jul 21, 2015 12:07:12 GMT -8
I can see the merits of the argument from both sides. It seems a bit silly that a player such as Forsberg or Gaudreau who would likely never be bumped back into the prospect roster takes up 2 prospect roster spaces. At the same time, it seems a bit unfair that teams with NHL-ready prospects could just stash them on their main rosters, and pick up replacement prospects into their 20 player prospect pool.
Would it make sense to allow each GM to determine who is and isn't a prospect? Say a team selects Ekblad, and decides that he is to be a permanent fixture of their team's roster, the GM could relinquish Ekblad's prospect status. From that point onward, Ekblad would be treated as a normal player, irrespective of the number of games played.
Would it make sense to allow each GM to determine who is and isn't a prospect? Say a team selects Ekblad, and decides that he is to be a permanent fixture of their team's roster, the GM could relinquish Ekblad's prospect status. From that point onward, Ekblad would be treated as a normal player, irrespective of the number of games played.
I think this would make things too easy! Prospect limit is the limit!
Plus I don't think fantrax would register this
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Post by MIN (Juuso) on Jul 21, 2015 12:18:56 GMT -8
I get the potential FanTrax limitation, however I don't agree with it making things easy. In fact, I think it makes the decision more challenging. If I were to 'promote' Ekblad, then he would no longer be automatically protected in a Waiver draft, and I would need to leave one of my other players unprotected. Conversely, if he suffers from a sophomore slump, I can't just stash him on the prospect roster. I think it would make things slightly more interesting, but perhaps that's just me!
I get the potential FanTrax limitation, however I don't agree with it making things easy. In fact, I think it makes the decision more challenging. If I were to 'promote' Ekblad, then he would no longer be automatically protected in a Waiver draft, and I would need to leave one of my other players unprotected. Conversely, if he suffers from a sophomore slump, I can't just stash him on the prospect roster. I think it would make things slightly more interesting, but perhaps that's just me!
Would Ekblad still be considered a prospect when the Waiver Draft happens?? He would(hopefully) have surpassed his 100 game mark, and the season would be over.
Prospects would be adjusted before the Waiver Draft, no?
Post by CHI (David) on Jul 21, 2015 19:19:10 GMT -8
Ok, so we are trying to determine if a GM is allowed more than 20 prospects or what constitutes a prospect?
My view is that if you are purposely stashing players who are in the NHL, but still considered prospects, that is wrong and shouldn't be allowed. I think that if a player paases the 100 game mark during the season they should not be allowed to be sent down anymore. Or if possible, would have to clear waivers just like in the nhl, with any other team, with room, to make a claim.
If the player is below 100, and a GM is parking him in the minors to keep him "safe", I don't see anything wrong with it, but you could instill a limit on total players allowed btw both minor/nhl teams.
Also, don't remember but we do have a trade deadline which includes no more drop/adds correct.
I think that if a player paases the 100 game mark during the season they should not be allowed to be sent down anymore. Or if possible, would have to clear waivers just like in the nhl, with any other team, with room, to make a claim.
It is not possible to make this happen. We have to set a limit at the beginning of the season and that is a prospect for the season. They upgrade at the end of the season though.
I get the potential FanTrax limitation, however I don't agree with it making things easy. In fact, I think it makes the decision more challenging. If I were to 'promote' Ekblad, then he would no longer be automatically protected in a Waiver draft, and I would need to leave one of my other players unprotected. Conversely, if he suffers from a sophomore slump, I can't just stash him on the prospect roster. I think it would make things slightly more interesting, but perhaps that's just me!
Would Ekblad still be considered a prospect when the Waiver Draft happens?? He would(hopefully) have surpassed his 100 game mark, and the season would be over.
Prospects would be adjusted before the Waiver Draft, no?
From what I gathered in our shoutbox discussion yesterday, any adjustments to prospect status would happen after the waiver draft. Ekblad, Forsberg, Gaudreau, etc would therefore not need to be protected in next year's waiver draft, even though all of them will have surpassed 100 GP.
Would Ekblad still be considered a prospect when the Waiver Draft happens?? He would(hopefully) have surpassed his 100 game mark, and the season would be over.
Prospects would be adjusted before the Waiver Draft, no?
From what I gathered in our shoutbox discussion yesterday, any adjustments to prospect status would happen after the waiver draft. Ekblad, Forsberg, Gaudreau, etc would therefore not need to be protected in next year's waiver draft, even though all of them will have surpassed 100 GP.
See that's wrong. Once the season ends and the offseason begins, all players above 100 games are players and would need to be protected. So this offseason they would not need to be protected, but next season they do need to be protected
From what I gathered in our shoutbox discussion yesterday, any adjustments to prospect status would happen after the waiver draft. Ekblad, Forsberg, Gaudreau, etc would therefore not need to be protected in next year's waiver draft, even though all of them will have surpassed 100 GP.
See that's wrong. Once the season ends and the offseason begins, all players above 100 games are players and would need to be protected. So this offseason they would not need to be protected, but next season they do need to be protected
Good to get clarification on that point. Maybe it was just me, but this was not the impression I got from the shoutbox conversation yesterday. Prospects with over 100 GP will therefore cease being prospects at the end of the NHL season, prior to the waiver draft, and can be claimed by other teams if left unprotected?
Last Edit: Jul 22, 2015 6:45:35 GMT -8 by MIN (Juuso)
I think that if a player paases the 100 game mark during the season they should not be allowed to be sent down anymore. Or if possible, would have to clear waivers just like in the nhl, with any other team, with room, to make a claim.
It is not possible to make this happen. We have to set a limit at the beginning of the season and that is a prospect for the season. They upgrade at the end of the season though.
I was just having a read through the "Rules" thread, and read this:
The prospect roster consists of 20 prospects with no positional requirements. Prospects cannot be used in a scoring capacity unless they are called up to your active roster first. Prospects who are called up to the active roster no longer count towards prospect roster limits until they are sent down again. Prospects who pass their games played limits and graduate into players cannot be sent down once called up. See V C. "Minor League Transactions" for more details.
I presume this contradiction in the rules incorrect? We should probably clarify the matter prior to the prospect draft in either case!
It is not possible to make this happen. We have to set a limit at the beginning of the season and that is a prospect for the season. They upgrade at the end of the season though.
I was just having a read through the "Rules" thread, and read this:
The prospect roster consists of 20 prospects with no positional requirements. Prospects cannot be used in a scoring capacity unless they are called up to your active roster first. Prospects who are called up to the active roster no longer count towards prospect roster limits until they are sent down again. Prospects who pass their games played limits and graduate into players cannot be sent down once called up. See V C. "Minor League Transactions" for more details.
I presume this contradiction in the rules incorrect? We should probably clarify the matter prior to the prospect draft in either case!
Ok so a real now I'm awake response. I originally put in this rule but found out it wasn't possible on fantrax and forgot to take it out.
We can do it manually in the future, but for this first season is like something automated and less complicated. There's already a lot to keep track of and this is something is hard to keep track of without fantrax!
Post by MIN (Juuso) on Jul 23, 2015 7:17:32 GMT -8
Makes sense! I like the rule too, but agree that we should try to keep things as simple as possible this first season. We can always open it up to a vote going forwards.
Makes sense! I like the rule too, but agree that we should try to keep things as simple as possible this first season. We can always open it up to a vote going forwards.
Great glad you agree. Sorry for the short answer first. I had just woken up and wanted to give an answer right away,....but my brain wasn't working.
I was just having a read through the "Rules" thread, and read this:
I presume this contradiction in the rules incorrect? We should probably clarify the matter prior to the prospect draft in either case!
Ok so a real now I'm awake response. I originally put in this rule but found out it wasn't possible on fantrax and forgot to take it out.
We can do it manually in the future, but for this first season is like something automated and less complicated. There's already a lot to keep track of and this is something is hard to keep track of without fantrax!
This could be something that we could use the spreadsheet for possibly
Ok so a real now I'm awake response. I originally put in this rule but found out it wasn't possible on fantrax and forgot to take it out.
We can do it manually in the future, but for this first season is like something automated and less complicated. There's already a lot to keep track of and this is something is hard to keep track of without fantrax!
This could be something that we could use the spreadsheet for possibly
Yup, it wouldn't be difficult to keep track of. It could however be a bit confusing, so it might make sense to implement this after one full season. Our prospect rosters will be relatively small this season anyway, so it'll potentially become more important after a few seasons.